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Pavel Astakhov, Hysterical Russian Liar

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Remember this? Lies, all lies. Kim Zigfeld has the details.

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35 responses to “Pavel Astakhov, Hysterical Russian Liar

  1. What is he talking about? This?

    By BETSY BLANEY; Associated Press

    Texas mom: Russian boy was playing before he died

    A Texas woman has told sheriff’s deputies that her 3-year-old adopted son from Russia was playing outside with his younger brother before she found the boy unresponsive.

    A Texas woman has told sheriff’s deputies that her 3-year-old adopted son from Russia was playing outside with his younger brother before she found the boy unresponsive.

    Ector County Sheriff Mark Donaldson said Wednesday that dead boy’s mother told deputies that she was inside the family’s home outside of Odessa on Jan. 21 and came out to find Max Alan Shatto on the ground.

    Texas official: Dead Russian boy had bruises on body, unresponsive when brought to hospital

    By Nomaan Merchant And Betsy Blaney, The Associated Press

    ODESSA, Texas – A 3-year-old boy whose death fueled a fight over American adoptions of Russian children was brought into a West Texas hospital unresponsive and bruised on several parts of his body, a medical examiner’s investigator said Tuesday.

    Shirley Standefer, chief investigator for the Ector County Medical Examiner’s Office, says there were signs of bruising on Max’s body, including in the lower abdominal area. Max was pronounced dead at a hospital, Standefer said.

    • larussophobe ⋅

      He said there was a murder. There was no murder, and the Russian government apologized for his “overly emotional” statements before any facts were in. Now he says there was child abuse, but there is no proof of child abuse. The medical examiner specifically said the bruises and scrapes could have been normal childhood injuries. THERE IS NO PROOF that the mother harmed him AT ALL.

      • > THERE IS NO PROOF that the mother harmed him AT ALL.

        Is there any PROOF (or evidence) that Putin (or anybody else in Kremlin) personally ordered the murder of Litvinenko? Is there any likelihood that Yushchenko was poisoned by Kremlin?

        Ukraine president blames former ally for poisoning
        Published: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 10:15 PM

        President Viktor Yushchenko on Thursday accused the godfather of one of his children and member of his own political party of involvement in his near-fatal poisoning, a stunning twist. Asked Thursday at a news conference whether he thought Zhvania took part in the poisoning, Yushchenko answered: “I think yes, to put it mildly.”

        And yet, russophobes like you and your favorite cabbage tool – Charles Krauthammer – openly accuse Putin of ordering murder/poisoning of pretty much everybody, e.g.:
        That Murder in London
        Friday, December 8, 2006

        Or you can believe the testimony delivered on the only reliable lie detector ever invented — the deathbed — by the victim himself. Litvinenko directly accused Putin of killing him. In science, there is a principle called Occam’s razor. When presented with competing theories for explaining a natural phenomenon, one adopts the least elaborate. Do you think Anna Politkovskaya, the journalist who was investigating the war in Chechnya, was shot dead in her elevator by rogue elements? What about Viktor Yushchenko, the presidential candidate in Ukraine and eventual winner, poisoned with dioxin during the campaign, leaving him alive but disfigured? Ultranationalist Russians?
        The prosecution rests. We await definitive confirmation in Putin’s memoirs. Opponents of Putin have been falling like flies. Some jailed, some exiled, some killed. Too many layers of protection between the don and the hit man. The prosecution rests. We await definitive confirmation in Putin’s memoirs.

        You yourself even go so far as to falsely imply that Litvinenko, who was at that time a lowly KGB mafia thug, enforcer, killer and hit man, was a member of the honorable Kovalev Human Rights Commission for the President of Russia:

        The Putin Murders

        With Litvinenko out of the picture, the only member of the Kovalev Commission left unscathed is its chairman, dissident Sergei Kovalev

        Viktor Yushchenko, anti-Russian candidate for the presidency of the Ukraine, is poisoned by Dioxin.

        Paul Klebnikov (pictured, right), editor of the Russian edition Forbes magazine, is shot and killed in Moscow.

        • larussophobe ⋅

          So you’re saying that you find it just as credible that a mother would murder her child as that a proud KGB spy would murder his most vocal and relentless critic, a KGB defector???

          So you’re saying you AGREE it’s valid to assume Putin murdered Litvinenko????

          Does it matter to you AT ALL that THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT APOLOGIZED for falsely claiming there had been a murder? Do you care AT ALL about facts?

          Do you think AT ALL before you write your gibberish?

          • Bohdan ⋅

            The more I read this goons (i,e, rotenburgers) twisted spiels, the more I realize what a wasted space he is. But then in all respect what can be expected from a communist indoctrinated simpleton!!!

            But then what can be expected as he is a classic case of putting mouth into gear before before bird brain is engaged.

          • mingthemerciless ⋅

            Vlad the Self Impaler RottenBooger seem not too sure if he is coming or going…Vladimir think it make him look intelligent if he take every side of an issue…next week he’ll be saying Pooty Poot is a pedophiliac bastard, like that’s not what we’ve been saying all along…Sorry, Vlad, just getting ready for your next somersault!

  2. > So you’re saying you AGREE it’s valid to assume Putin murdered Litvinenko????

    No, quite the opposite. Both you/Krauthammer and Astakhov are wrong in you rush to judgement. I am saying that it is height of hypocrisy to accuse Astakhov of pre-judging the Texas death incident, while wildly accusing Putin of crimes that he didn’t commit, like the murder of Klebnikov and the poisoning of Yushchenko.

    > So you’re saying that you find it just as credible that a mother would murder her child as that a proud KGB spy would murder his most vocal and relentless critic, a KGB defector???

    I am saying that given that the child died, it is highly likely that the mother is guilty of gross negligence. The possibility of manslaughter on her part (or even murder) is also non-zero. Maybe 5%, with another 50% going to the possibility that fatal blows came from her other adopted son.

    On the other hand, the probabilities as to who/what is behind the death of Litvinenko break down as follows (imho):

    Some Russian oligarch/KGB mafioso, blackmailed by Litvinenko (no Putin’s knowledge) – 44%
    Berezovsky/Goldfarb/Zakayev – 40%
    An accident due to a polonium smuggling ring consisting of Lugovoy/Kovtun/Litvineko – 10%
    MI-5/6 killing their own agent Litvineko – 2%
    Putin/Kremlin ordering a hit on Litvinenko for his activity – 3%

    Does it matter to you AT ALL that THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT APOLOGIZED for falsely claiming there had been a murder?

    1. Who told you that there was NO murder? The investigation has barely started.
    2. Has the Russian government ever claimed that there was a murder in this case?
    3. When will you and Cabbagehammer apologize for “falsely claiming” that Putin was behind the Klebnikov, Yushchenko and Litvinenko crimes?

    > Do you care AT ALL about facts?

    Yes. Do you?

    > Do you think AT ALL before you write your gibberish?

    Yes. Do you?

    • larussophobe ⋅

      But you are DEFENDING Astakhov, who rushed to judgment,attempting to show evidence he could be right. So YOU are EXACTLY the type of hypocrite you criticize. Apparently, not even YOU read what you write.

      So if a child gets leukemia or has a heart defect, that is the mother’s fault?? Where you educated at K-mart, you ape?

      THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT said there was no murder, you idiot. NEGLIGENCE is not murder, and that is all ASTAKHOV HIMSELF is talking about now. You are completely clueless.

      • > But you are DEFENDING Astakhov

        Why would you say that? Astakhov is a sellout putinist hypocrite. The death rate of adopted children is higher in Russia than in the US. And this whole hooplah is Putin’s attempt to counter-propagandize against the Magnitsky Act embarrassment.

        • larussophobe ⋅

          Would say that because instead of AGREEING with our criticism of him you posted material which you claimed SUPPORTED his false claims. D’oh.

      • Astakhov is a demagogue on an almost the same scale as you and Krauthammer and Wall Street.

        • That’s Wall Street Journal.

        • larussophobe ⋅

          Why not agree with our criticism of him then, rather than attacking it? Our post simply proved he lied.

        • MCC ⋅

          vladzio, vladzio, vladzio, mr. astakhov missed the most important point in the russian children adoption affair – It is barbaric, revolting russia that refuses to take care of their own children – Just don’t miss this most important point in this affair. It is America’s generosity that permits to adopt small amount of russian children and let them live like human beings in America; russia, as always provides its own children with humiliation, barbaric sexual and moral abuses, starvation and starvation – Russia truly is revolting, barbaric, without honor and dignity …

  3. > Would say that because instead of AGREEING with our criticism of him you posted material which you claimed SUPPORTED his false claims. D’oh.

    Where did I do that? I never supported his claim that it was murder on the mother’s part. It is advisable for the readers of my comments to understand them before replying.

    > Why not agree with our criticism of him then, rather than attacking it? Our post simply proved he lied.

    There is place for everything. I don’t believe in talking about and accusing people behind their backs, especially in places where they and their supporters will never see my criticism. What’s the point?

    I have posted hundreds of highly angry and detailed comments accusing Putin’s regime of corruption and of murder of Magnitsky, and defending the Magnitsky Act on the sites where it matters – at the major Russian blogs read by hundreds of thousands of people, including this major Russian-Ukrainian blog:

    awas1952(dot)livejournal(dot)com

    I post a great amount of anti-Putin and anti-Stalin stuff at these sites and at my own site:

    vladrutenburg(dot)wordpress(dot)com

    At your blog, I write about issues of interest to the non-Russian readers. One such issue is the hypocrisy of russophobes like Wall Street Journal, Charles Cabbagehammer, Ariel Cohen and you, who accuse Russia of all kinds of crimes without proof, but get real angry when the other side returns the favour.

    • larussophobe ⋅

      You quoted very misleading media reports regarding what happened to the child, reports which falsely make it appear there might be evidence of child abuse. Many children have bruises and scrapes from normal play, their mere existence is NO evidence of child abuse and the child perished on the playground far from his allegedly abusive mother. Any reader can indeed read your initial comment “what is he talking about” and clearly see that you DEFENDED Astakhov by trying to show evidence forming a basis for his allegation, and YOU DID NOT SAY ONE WORD OF CRITICISM about him. Facts are facts.

      You claim you criticize the Kremlin but you NEVER post links showing you have done so nor do you agree with ANY criticism found on this blog, and you SLANDER famous columnists rather than offering balanced criticism and praise. Your “work” speaks for itself. It is incoherent and every bit as biased as you claim we are.

  4. Kim wrote:

    > You quoted very misleading media reports regarding what happened to the child, reports which falsely make it appear there might be evidence of child abuse.

    I quoted the Associated Press, which, along with Reuters, is the main and most trusted source of international news.

    Where did you get your story?

    > the child perished on the playground far from his mother.

    This toddler, who had just turned 3 year old earlier that month, was playing on a playground with no supervision and far from his mother?! Who told you? What kind of a clueless underdeveloped mind would accuse the mother of such a crime? Only somebody, who has never been around children, would think of this. This is patently false:

    Reuters

    It was in the backyard of this single-story house where Texas officials say 3-year-old Max Shatto was last seen alive. His adoptive mother says she found him unresponsive in the backyard. Laura Shatto told investigators she was with her two sons as they played together in the family’s backyard, then had to go inside momentarily, leaving the boys unattended. When the mother returned, Max was on the ground, unresponsive. An autopsy is pending and a criminal investigation is under way. Texas child welfare authorities also are investigating allegations of child abuse and neglect.

    Associated Press:

    Woman has told sheriff’s deputies that her 3-year-old adopted son was playing outside with his younger brother before she found the boy unresponsive. Mother told deputies that she was inside the family’s home and came out to find Max Alan Shatto on the ground. The medical examiner’s office said it couldn’t immediately be determined if bruises on Max’s body were intentional or accidental.

    Associated Press:

    A 3-year-old boy was brought into a West Texas hospital unresponsive and bruised on several parts of his body, a medical examiner’s investigator said Tuesday. Shirley There were signs of bruising on Max’s body, including in the lower abdominal area.

    I laud you, Kim, for your commitment to parodying the Soviet-style propaganda. Very believable. However, you would be more effective if you read before you posted.

    > Many children have bruises and scrapes from normal play

    Three year old infants? Bruises in the lower abdominal area? From normal play? Is that what goes on in your family?

    > Facts are facts.

    Exactly. But some minds are too lazy to even try to understand them.

    • larussophobe ⋅

      You are obviously suffering from a very profound mental disease. Once again, having denied you were doing it, you have returned to defending Astakhov and implying there may have been a murder.

      Our source is Kommersant. We linked to it, you illiterate ape. You obviously don’t read Russian. The paper reported that the Russian government ADMITTED THERE WAS NO MURDER AND APOLOGIZED FOR WRONGLY CLAIMING THERE HAD BEEN ONE.

      You are the one using neo-Soviet techniques, simply pivoting from one lie to the next in order to dissemble and protect your beloved dictatorship. Shame on you.

  5. Kim wrote:

    > You are obviously suffering from a very profound mental disease… you illiterate ape.

    Nice start. Very intelligent, logical and mature. One often hears such argumentation between pre-kindergarten children but never between developed adults, who by the age of 8 learn to let their arguments stand on their own merit, without any need to launch childish ad hominem attacks against their discussion opponents.

    > Our source is Kommersant. We linked to it, you illiterate ape.

    No, you didn’t, you non-illiterate non-ape. There is currently no mention of Kommersant and no link to any Kommersant articles in any of your posts on this page. Why don’t you edit your earlier posts to include this link. Don’t worry. I have archived the current page. And I will document this dialogue in my own blogs, both the Russian and the English one.

    > You obviously don’t read Russian.

    That’s an illogical conclusion. Your forgetting to provide a link is totally uncorrelated with my language knowledge. In fact, I am a native Russian speaker (as my first name, my Russian high school diploma and my previous posts attest to), while you know no Russian.

    > Once again, having denied you were doing it, you have returned to defending Astakhov and implying there may have been a murder.

    I have implied no such thing. Please remind me of my words that gave you the impression that I think that it was intentional murder on the mother’s part. The police have not ruled out murder, but it is more likely that we are dealing with criminal negligence on the mother’s part.

    > The paper reported that the Russian government ADMITTED THERE WAS NO MURDER AND APOLOGIZED FOR WRONGLY CLAIMING THERE HAD BEEN ONE.

    Really? I have not heard of any comments made by the Russian authorities on this case, one way or the other. Who exactly in the Russian government admitted that? Please give the link to the Kommersant article and the quote regarding the apology.

    > You are the one using neo-Soviet techniques, simply pivoting from one lie to the next in order to dissemble and protect your beloved dictatorship. Shame on you.

    Please give one example of my “lie” here. With quote. Are you confusing my words with those of the Reuters and the Associated Press?

    > You are obviously suffering from a very profound mental disease.

    You say that just because I haven’t seen any references to any Kommersant articles on this page? Interesting… Accusations of “mental disease” are, of course, a trademark of Soviet psychiatrists, who, for example, “diagnosed” Vladimir Bukovsky with it after they examined him and right before they threw him into a psychiatric ward. The only difference is that you know nothing about diagnosing psychiatric disease (in other people) and haven’t even figured out that you haven’t posted your Kommersant link yet.

    • larussophobe ⋅

      The Kommersant link is in this post

      http://dyingrussia.wordpress.com/2013/02/21/pavel-astakhov-hysterical-russian-liar/

      This is the link:

      http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2132256?fp=21

      It is behind the words “all lies.”

      You must apologize for your lie or you will be permanently banned from this blog.

      You did not read our post and links before you commented because you are an illiterate, worthless ape.

      • Stop covering up and finally apologise for falsely accusing Putin of murders of Klebnikov, Politkovskaya and Litvinenko without any evidence. BTW, if you choose to ban me from posting to your blog, you will reduce the number of comments here by a factor of two.

      • Also note that of the 5 guys who read your blog, I am the only one willing to engage in thoughtful discussion. The other four – Bohdanka, MCC, Ming, and the Stiff – do nothing but exchange insults between themselves.

        • larussophobe ⋅

          You lied about Kommersant, but lack the character to apologize. How shameful.

          You also lied about Shatto. It was an accident, scumbag.

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21638241

          Apologize for your outrageous torrent of lies.

          • rutenburg

            So, where’s your proof that Putin killed Politkovskaya and Klebnikov, slanderer?

          • rutenburg

            > Apologize for your outrageous torrent of lies.

            Are you talking about my alleged lies about Laura Shatto? If so – please quote at least one of the “lies” I wrote about her, and I will apologize for them. If none exist – then you must apologize to me for slandering me.

            • larussophobe ⋅

              You repeatedly quoted material which you claimed showed she might have been a murderer or could have otherwise been responsible for the loss of her child. It was an accident. You lied.

        • larussophobe ⋅

          FYI, this blog has over 100,000 visits and has published more than 3,000 comments. How’s the traffic on your blog, dear?

          • rutenburg

            How many of these “visits” belong to the four guys – Bohdan, Stiff, MCC, Ming – who use your blog to insult each other? How many comments have you received in recent weeks from people other than those four and me? Come to thing, how many comments has your blog received from anybody other than me in the last week or so? Where did Stiff, MCC and Ming disappear?

            Kim wrote:

            > If you had linguistic abilities you would not have spelled “by” as “bu”

            Are you serious?

            Btw, logical people would point out to you that there should be a comma between “abilities” and “you”.

            • larussophobe ⋅

              So you won’t answer about your blog?

              Are you implying you’ve visited this blog 20,000 times or so?

              Are you writing from inside a mental institution?

              • > Are you implying you’ve visited this blog 20,000 times or so?

                No. I have been reading your new blog only for about a month and a half or so. How did you arrive at the number of 20,000, Kim?

                > Are you writing from inside a mental institution?

                Of course not. Only a nut would make such a conclusion and invent the figure of 20,000. Are you yourself writing from inside a mental institution, Kim?

      • rutenburg

        > It is behind the words “all lies.”

        And you expect others to click on every underlined word in your raves? In the future, if you want your readers to read your citations, either quote them here or at least indicate that they are there. Instead of writing “all lies”, write “here is a Kommersant article that claims that these are lies”.

        You may also do well not to believe every single word that Russian newspapers, including Kommersant, write about Texas affairs. Try the Reuters and the Associated Press instead.

  6. mingthemerciless ⋅

    You somber cretin, there is no “evidence” that Hitler set fire to the Reichtag to blame you communists…but does ONE person exist doubting that he did it?

  7. Minsky ⋅

    But I dearly hope that all this criticism of Pavel Astakhov will not cost him his job.

    He is simply too entertaining as Russia’s national clown. There he is on TV in Moscow, making stuff up about orphans in America, ignoring the damage being done to Russian children. And, days later, there he is again, showing reporters his beautiful home in the south of France. And then, days later, being quoted about America as his “second home” where he got his “law degree” (actually just an LLM, which presupposes a degree he may not have).

    and now he’s back, talking about crazy about the West trying to steal orphans in order to depopulate Siberia…or cavorting with even loonier “Russian Mother” head Irina Bergseth and her ilk.

    You cannot possibly make this stuff up. Even North Korea would have been embarrassed with an official like this….

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